User:GreytideSkye/Sandbox/Lore:Cliquespam
 Sol Federation |
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Galactical Corporation Regulation [1]
syndicate manifesto page
from Guide_to_your_Manifesto#Cliques
Frontier Clique, bunch of frontier-adjacent members banding together. The members might hate the Clique for poorly representing them, the clique might hate others for not listening to 'em, putting 'em in more danger with less support... They might support the Syndicate just because they're the only group who will help them out!
Unity Clique is also big about unifying the entire galaxy under a strong SolFed with equal power distribution, so... folk who want to be independent, or want to hold onto their imbalanced power. They're the reason SolFed has a military, so if their military pissed you off, you'd hate the folk who propped 'em up. They're so hateable, they've got two entries.
Monarchists? There's a bunch of Kingdoms, and their kings unionize to better oppress their folk. You can imagine who'd hate that.
Trade Clique is about freedom of trade, and has a bunch of Sovcorps, so if you hate free trade, e.g. you like having a monopoly, or you hate the way they've put up regulations... there's your target.
not that
Lore already kinda states that they formed durin the First Great Migration and they ARE a "longstanding member of the Center Clique" so that's somethin I gotta orient myself around as well
putting that voting research degree I never got to bad evil sinister use
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Center Clique isn't mentioned in the cliques section on the Manifesto page. That's the only thing I notice.
Fuck you, Plasma Clique. Bunch of up-their-own-ass moral purists trying to monopolize one of the most potent fuels in the galaxy, mysteriously stable in any state of matter at room temperature yet extremely volatile. It's an amazing rock! It burns great and is an incredible fuel, and these motherfuckers want it locked down and distributed at their whims. Fuck this "price stability" morality bullshit, let the people pay what they want for as much as they want. Fuck this "overextraction" fearmongering shit, you know it's a lie to line your own pockets with the tears of SolFed citizens. Fuck the Tsogyal Republic, waving their "big plasma energy" around. Fuck that, people need plasma and I want these upright pricks out of my mother-biking way so I can give the people what they want. For money. Fuck you for bending ass-backwards over to this voting block, SolFed.
One aspect regarding regulation I was thinking i will say is that SolFed did initially regulate genemodding, but in the 2300s the Progress Clique got that repealed and genemodding is regulated on a member state basis.
re NT, I assumed they were with the Corpo clique? Sable's stuff got "NT sits on the Luna board of directors" so they're important enough to have a dedicated table in whatever clique they're actually with. Like, I'd imagine the FTU has a table but some regional shipping companies need to subclique to have 1 vote at the clique. I'm rather distracted rn but I don't recognize the Corporate Territories project?
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Also some more possibilities for cliques:
Center Clique: This is mainly to be a sort of baseline which other cliques are viewed. Nominally pro-democratic, somewhat pro-corporate, and generally in favor of more power to SolFed itself. This puts them at odd with the Frontier Clique, and I'm thinking they'll also often be at odds with the Assimilation Clique, due to prefer a softer approach to diplomacy.
Frontier Clique: Representing the more outlying regions of SolFed they're typically anti-corporate, and very opposed to giving power to SolFed, preferring the Federation to simply protect them and otherwise stay out of their business, particularly in regards to expansion which they want to be free and without any real regulation or oversight. Their anti-corporate nature would make them rivals with the Trade Clique.
Aristocratic Clique: The few monarchies and aristocratic nations in SolFed banded to primarily protect their often very particular interests. They are also probably one of the few (if not the only) clique that is pro-hemophage, due to their pursuit of technology or methods that provide immortality. This puts them very much at odds with the Progress Clique, due to the fact they're pretty openly trying to create an immortal elite, the exact thing the Progress Clique is strongly opposed to.
Production Clique: A sort of alternative economic alliance to the Trade Clique which instead of pursuing typical capitalism utilize command economies with each member of the clique specializing in the production of a few things for maximum efficiency. Not really socialist or communist, but instead democratic, authoritarian, or technocratic, they'd be rivals with the Trade Clique due to pursuing a much more protectionist and anti-megacorporation economic model for the Federation.
One thing I'm kind of struggling with is this:
Thus far in the writing for SolFed my plans involve generally only portrayed generic ideologies (democracies, capitalism, generic authoritarianism) with more wacky things tacked on (technocracy, monarchism) as I know these are pretty uncontroversial, but there would definitely be more socialist/communist ideologies out there in a capitalist space future. I know the old SR lore made the big brain decision of making the socialists the mega racists, which I'd obviously avoid, but the issue I'm having is that for some people any sort of positive portrayal of Marxist ideologies is EVIL PROPAGANDA, while for some people any negative portrayal of Marxist ideologies is also EVIL PROPAGANDA.
I want to avoid the whole IRL politics shtick of old SR lore like the plague, but I also do want to include groups that hold that viewpoint because it just makes sense for the setting to me, but, I don't have a clue how to go about it in a manner that won't result in angry readers. Just don't know how, so any suggestions are welcome.
me being slider brained [5]
I'm going to use this thread to post current ideas for cliques that I have, so that way other people can give input on the ideas if they want. Assimilation Clique: Created by the Tiziran war and seeks to try and incorporate every alien government into SolFed and export SolFed and human culture to aliens, while being very aggressive and jingoistic to any alien government that may be hostile to SolFed, even going as far as to try and agitate revolt in hostile alien governments.
Plasma Clique: A collection of member states who own the main plasma producing systems in SolFed. These are probably going to systems that are anomalous, so they may produce other things too, but plasma is likely the most important of their exports. They work together to set industry standards for plasma production, and production quotas. They're made up of various democratic member states and in addition to looking out for their financial interests try to push democracy within SolFed. Trade Clique: A generally pro-corporate clique, the exact specifics are rather TBD as work on SolFed corporations is generally very vague, but they look out for corporate interests and generally push a free-trade agenda, trying to prevent any member state from enacting tarrifs, or from restricting the activities of outside corporations.
Progress Clique: A technocratic clique that generally pushes for technocratic governance within SolFed, and little to no restriction on technology and science. However they do oppose the creation of AI and push for tight regulation on personality transfers, seeing both as immoral and/or dangerous, with the specifics varying from member to member. Regardless synthetics are generally banned in the various member states that make up the Progress Clique while there are some major restrictions on transferring your personality.
For the Progress Clique they're opposed to synthetic life for varying reasons. It could be they view it as a threat, or they could view creating synthetic life as immoral. For mind transfer the restrictions are based around preventing the creation of an immortal elite, or putting people in terminator bodies. There are likely other dangerous technologies they're opposed to, like mass cloning, but I think that's not a thing in SolFed already.
presiDON'T
Owegno
Owegno.: The idea of creating the role of president is actually a popular one, and something that will happen pretty soon after lore is "done" and the focus turns to creating a living universe (at least for me), the SolFed president will be a thing I think regardless of if this coup plotline will be part of the SolFed Troubles Arc or not.
The elected president will be fairly moderate for obvious reasons, as no one extreme is getting elected, but for one reason or another they end up being brought into a conspiracy (or this conspiracy plans to replace them) that wishes to basically put an end to the power of the Federal Assembly and drastically centralize SolFed, some inspiration here from the August Coup, basically hardliners who believe that SolFed is dying and they need to take drastic action to save it.
This conspiracy is backed by the governments of several member states (who exactly is TBD, although I have a few ideas) and they begin making plans, recruiting more members, working with the generals in the SolFed military who are part of the plot to move potentially disloyal units and commanders to prime postings on the rim of the Federation, where the best and brightest are needed! Meanwhile units led by commanders who are part of the conspiracy are placed in command of dull, quiet postings near the center of SolFed. There will also be other actions, like potentially brokering a secret deal with NT to supply the SFAF with plasma in the event the plasma clique opposes the clique.
This will basically culminate in the president suspending the power of the Federal Assembly and putting them into an advisory position (and if the president isn't part of the coup a new one will be put in place and the old one arrested) while the president now basically has absolute authority. Any resistance from the Federal Assembly will be prevented by SFAF units loyal to the coup who will control the capital, and larger resistance will be kept in check, some member states may protest and even leave the Federation, but they can be dealt with once the new order is established and power consolidated, plus they may even come around to the plotters way of looking at things once the dust has settled. This is of course, their plan, and in reality it would play out differently.
nah, skipping this.
I like the part about couping against the Plasma Clique politically instead of just biker gangly I like the idea of folk getting sick of the Federal Assembly's general inability to do anything and I like tabbing away, so don't take me not shouting out a specific bit as dislike I would rephrase the part about moving generals, just because the "disloyal" ones getting moved to the rim are literally there because they would remain loyal to the Federal Assembly and status quo, and thus fuck up the coup The end result kind of seems like exactly the current status quo, where if you ain't appealing to a Clique, you get jack shit, except now there's a face for each interest except now they're all sucking up to someone else, the urClique that's the wrong prefix lmao
I feel like the idea would get a lot of support from nations with strong interests in two different cliques, who're sick of being torn between them and basically getting benefit from neither like a... plasma-producing conquerer, torn between the plasma and unity cliques? like obviously it's already got support from nations with interest in one or zero cliques who're already getting jack shit from who they support, but the folk split between two+ are also in that "getting nothing" boat Definitely like the idea of the Triumvirate better than a solitary president, mostly because personal politics triumvirate is such a good name but it's sooooo three-locked, like "Quadrumvirate" does not fuck Protectorate?
And in terms of SolFed politics while Saturn is not a technocracy their origins as one still has them leaning that way, with them being one of the founding members of the Progress Clique.
Plasma Clique wants
Did we ever decide what the Plasma Clique wants? like, the ideology they're pushing as part of their vaguely-charity near-monopoly on Plasma? Owegno — 3/26/2025 3:59 PM I was thinking that they want to maintain their monopoly, both for selfish but also altruistic reasons (keeping this vital resource price stable, and preventing over extraction)
Otherwise they basically try and be Switzerland, they might want certain things, but they try and be as neutral as possible otherwise. Although I'm open to other ideas and suggestions.
I can build off over-extraction; since plasma is basically bruises in the bluespace wall, they're trying to prevent Space Global Warming by being smart about distributing plasmas. Fuck it, they're the reason every station has an abundance of solar panels for free. The distribution is to disincentivize individual extraction, which would be worse, because somehow they can Make Plasma more safely at scale? This would lead to folk opposing the idea of Space Global Warming, because it sounds kinda spiritual actually and not hard sciencey, and gets in the way of short-term profit
Plasma mining's fine, esp. on lavaland, because the plasma's already there, we're not making more of it. Xenobio is... less fine, but we don't scale up to ecosystem-affecting amounts in-game without an admin event.
They may also accept competition from big fission and big fusion, as most power generation being non plasma probably fits their aims. They're mostly state monopolies so they don't really pursue infinite growth in the plasma market like corporations would, which could be an additional point of friction with NT we can use.
Unity Clique
the war guys
in regards to the Infinite Empire's fringe, the Spartan Invasions... the "claims" ehh maybe. The Zone of Infinite Attrition, hell yeah that's a low-grade conflict that'd be fuel for the Unity Clique, far below the Sagittarius War's struggles but still enough to piss the locals off that nothing's Being Done
they're declared here [7]
"Can't beat the system, so we'll stack the odds in our favor"
Makes sense
It's like they're trying to build a clique of their own in the assembly
it sounds like a tumor, actively taking in outsiders to swell to monolithic size
their goal is exploiting the clique system to achieve a majority. a 51% attack.
One other thing I was thinking is that the pro-self determination side did get a slight win during age of revolutions 2.0, in that it has become precedent and a matter of pride that so long as you're a proper nation you can join if you want to. Efforts to gatekeep successful rebel states from joining SolFed generally failed.
How proactive is the Unity clique? Are they "we must expand continouously" or are they "Expand when we see it, never tolerate a neighbor but we don't gotta expand in empty space to make more neighbors right now" or is that an internal debate they're not settled on I was thinking the latter. I see no real reason for them to want territory for territories sake. The one thing is that any known alien government is a target of their attempts to woo, or their preparations for war.
They have basically no interest in conquest, as avoiding war is their main goal.
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Basically my current thoughts on when their tenets manifested was during and after the war. They wanted to prevent any similar war from happening ever again, which is done through militarization of SolFed (creating the SFAF, and the Sagittarians being in a constant of semi-mobilization ever since), and through trying to make any potentially hostile alien governments into friends, either by befriending them, or if they can't be befriend, trying to take steps to cause a regime change and/or weaken them.
As for what it means, it is up for debate. They wanted to basically do a West Germany or Japan to Tizirans, but their policies are certainly culturally Imperialist to a degree.
Sounds almost like the US during the cold war in the kind of "democracy is non-negotiable kind of way". Like they'll ask you very politely to shack up w SolFed. Just never mind that folks who tell them to pound sand have this odd habit of unexplained civil wars a few years after the fact. And they're not afraid to go kinetic against anyone who is properly hostile to them.
remember when i did a post about the cliques in the future
Owegno
Owegno. the Summary Of Cliques list [10]
Center Clique, which represents the "default" to a degree. They're made up primarily of large and powerful nations in the center of SolFed, and believe in centralizing SolFed alongside supporting corporate interests, and their own interests. You could consider them a bit akin to the Federalists in the early US.
Plasma Clique, which is made up of the plasma producing states of SolFed, with the exception of Nanotrasen. They try and keep the price of plasma nice and stable, and protect their monopoly of it. They're otherwise incredibly neutral politically as they try and befriend everyone so they have as much political favor as possible to protect their narrow interests.
The Frontier Clique, which is made up primarily of smaller members who were often former colonies of other members. They generally try and represent the interests of "The Little Guy" and have tons of tiny members. They're pretty anti corporate and are pretty opposed to centralizing SolFed. They're also really lacking in unity due to how many members they have.
Goldenfreddycl
Resident Flag Architect.
Theocratic Absolute Monarchy with an Assembly (The ruler is a woman who is hailed as a living Goddess. Doesn't have to actually be one. It's more the belief that she is)
A democratic oligarchal government ruled by a council of seven (or any similar odd number of) councillors with multiple layers to the government
A Stratocratic Citizen Republic ruled by, hence "stratocratic", a military council and citizenship is guaranteed upon military service to the nation. Citizens also participate in governance.
A union of clans who are all governed by this "Grand Assembly" of elected individuals. Not much different from a lot of populat fantasy governments of the same origin.
A Consortium of different corporations where all the CEOs rule as a council.
A confederation if four kingdoms ruled by a quad-king government (the 4 Kings rule together). This government failed badly.
Plasma clique's homeworld is a runaway star..? wait did that BECOME the cryostasis star of tsogyal? [11]
Plasma Clique nation [12]
I've still been trying to write the Plasma Clique Nation and have roughly what they are down: Wealthy nation heavily funded by a state run plasma extraction company. Centered upon an anomalous system that is a weirdly high speed star. The primarily anomaly of this star is that almost everything is more stable. For example: Chemical reactions are much harder to start and keep going, living things straight up live longer, but require biological modification to boost their metabolism or else they feel cold and perpetually tired, probably more neat results that I haven't thought of. There are other smaller anomalies in the region and weird creatures and such on the main Earth-like world, which is a very wet world with extreme amounts of rain, with its terrestrial regions mostly being rainforest, swamps, ect. Overall its safer and nicer than the Nova anomalous zone, and the living longer is a nice thing, but for people not specially modified it sucks, and if those modified people then leave the zone they will overheat as their metabolism goes crazy. The government is a pretty representative democracy, they're generally pretty nice. Their biggest concern is maintaining the Plasma Clique's monopoly. In terms of external relations they do their best to maintain absolute neutrality, they want corporations and other governments to like them and cooperate with their monopoly, and do their best to avoid angering anyone. They're unique for a major SolFed power as their territory and population is based around this one star, with it being one of the most populated systems in SolFed (I don't like absolute numbers too much, but in the realm of perhaps 150 billion) Probably three fourths of their population lives in space rather than on planets. This has resulted in a very "space maritime" inspired culture. The biggest industry they have after plasma extraction is starship production, and it is what employs the most people. Culturally I want to give them vibes focused on that spacer culture. Children often want to be starship crews, and their people are disproportionally represented in the general SolFed spacer community.
The Plasma Clique is the n- oh, the nation. their heart, their Capital, their center. This gives extreme Cryostasis vibes. Y'gotta surgically make yourself go faster to counter the Anomalous Zone's full-zone Basically Cryostasis? I imagine this zone's also a hotbed for hospice and hospitals alike, for the same reason, which would contribute to the Most Populated Systems of 2564 Runner-Up award (nothing can beat Meat Cubeia, where all the fugitives who get compressed back into meat cubes go). We gotta drop a shout-out that it's also a hip Snailperson vacation spot
Playing it straight but Star Wars levels of on-the-nose with, slow, cryo... Cryostia, Dod Ling, The Loistar Ring,
But we mechanically already have Slow theming: Sepia slimes, with the Sepia floor tiles, with the Sepia Time Stop.
Sea the Sepialantic, cruise the Beige of Basklay, Grisaille https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grisaille, something off the Cephalopod genus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sepia_(cephalopod), ... if it's photography themed, it's a developing nation. @Bad Jokes but also serious.
Plasma Clique, The moralisitic good guys of Plasma. Y'know what happens when you fuck with them? They cut you off. And if that's not enough? Whoopsy it looks like that pirate fleet you thought was chasing you and running out of fuel is suddenly faster than you. Oops haha that's space piracy baby.
I just need a name for the Plasma Clique nation, to write their paragraph (which shouldn't take long once I have a name) and then do some information various Cliques which also shouldn't be hard. After that we should be good to add quite a bit to the SolFed wikipage.
- The Plasmelody, folk hate them because they insist on singing and they straight give Crystals Shop vibes. Does not need to be literal singing, their words just need to flow more than they need to be precise or correct.
- Pinkpeace, a play on Greenpeace which is an organization I just realized I know very little about
- Fuel Good Inc., known for their hit song Delamination Inc. which plays whenever an unstable, experimental power source starts to fuck up and they're not already playing Ebb & Flow.
- Plasma Control
- Plasthma Attack
- The Tri-State Area (because it exists at room temp in all 3 states of matter)
- Fuel All Mankind
- some pun on pac man
- Omniplasm
- Mother Knows Combest
- Combusty Babes (Too Hot)
- Burny Sanders (too political but c'mon it's a ncie pun)
- Collective for the Right to Burn
- Backburn, as in the backbone of our society
- Autonimos Technical, a play on Atmos Tech. Sends criminals to Autonimo Bay.
- The Light Brigade: they keep the lights on
- Lightgivers
- Power to the People
- Self-Stable, a play on plasma being shelf-stable and also ensuring folk aren't beholden to an energy overlord (besides themselves lmao)
solfed remembering that they're idealistic, do good social programs, help others, moralize and oppose injustice, but have to have some sort of reason folk could possibly dislike them:
They're opposed by the Plasma Runners, biker gang m'fers who want profit over whatever moral BS the plasma clique does. They oppose because they see plasma as PROFIT, BABY! PURE FUCKING CREDITS IN A ROCK! maybe the PQ also demands a tithe of plasma and/or Accurate Reporting of the plasma you mine, so they don't give you more than you've already gotten to fulfill your own needs... hopefully there's some bits worth working with in there.
So I'm gonna guess at three factors, on a scale: How Specific are they? How different are their morals from the cultural norm? needs better name How Intrusive are they? What do they impose in exchange for their help? Self-Centered? I think this is a subset of intrusive. What do they gain from this interaction? How Helpful are they? Do they actually help, or are they doing things that only look helpful?
so church charity homeless: Not very specific, their morals are similar to the religious morals of America. Intrusive: not very. Subjecting homeless folk to like 30 minutes of being in a church and surrounded by helpful people isn't all that imposing. Self-centered: They gain ingroup cohesion, and individuals go to Heaven. Helpful: pretty helpful. Treats symptoms of wealth imbalance without disrupting the status quo. Blankets /beans are useful. Money, jobs, housing would be more useful.
I mean moralistic as in the definition of the word. So intrusive, based off their cultural code of righteousness which I'm not settled on but I do want it to be similar to modern classic moral values. Not necessarily self centered, and they only help people they like.
so yes imposing: conform to us or get no help. Correct, and more importantly: They will oppose [that which] they view as immoral.
outdated on the distribution of plasma, before the Scars In Bluespace stuff [14]
Center Clique
[15] and there's some really good discussion about other cliques above that. this is page 5 of 9.
Owegno
Owegno.
So here is the current concept and plan for the Imperialist Center Clique nation.