Lore:Cliques
 Sol Federation |
Other Names: SolFed |
Galactical Corporation Regulation [1]
syndicate manifesto page
from Guide_to_your_Manifesto#Cliques
The warmonger clique Unity Clique is pissed that we chickened out of the Tizero-Terran war before striking a decisive victory. Conversely, the Tizirans... hate that we blew up their holy moon, and the clique hates that they don't recognize that they had it coming they way they started the war and hid behind that damn moon and whatnot. The war was a fair bit ago, but that moon's still a whole ton of dust in their orbit, almost cutting off the surface from space.
Plasma Clique, see the Plasma Runners but, but also their morals. They impose a lot of morals.
Frontier Clique, bunch of frontier-adjacent members banding together. The members might hate the Clique for poorly representing them, the clique might hate others for not listening to 'em, putting 'em in more danger with less support... They might support the Syndicate just because they're the only group who will help them out!
Unity Clique is also big about unifying the entire galaxy under a strong SolFed with equal power distribution, so... folk who want to be independent, or want to hold onto their imbalanced power. They're the reason SolFed has a military, so if their military pissed you off, you'd hate the folk who propped 'em up. They're so hateable, they've got two entries.
Progress Clique is all about technological progress at the expense of everything else, unless it's something immoral. So both pro and anti tech folk'll hate them. Cybersun's probably had more than a few products forced out of the marketplace by their lobbying.
Monarchists? There's a bunch of Kingdoms, and their kings unionize to better oppress their folk. You can imagine who'd hate that.
Trade Clique is about freedom of trade, and has a bunch of Sovcorps, so if you hate free trade, e.g. you like having a monopoly, or you hate the way they've put up regulations... there's your target.
not that
Lore already kinda states that they formed durin the First Great Migration and they ARE a "longstanding member of the Center Clique" so that's somethin I gotta orient myself around as well
I forget why the plasma clique, and thus tsogyal, was the one with the stasisy anomaly zone. Kinda want Interdyne to have a major medical research presence there. Hell, even putting their capital there despite it being entirely Tsogyal's territory. Gonna write about it tho. (also I put this in the wrong channel before, tee hee)
The Tsogyal Anomalous Zone is, reductively, a perpetual explosion, a forever bomb stuck in an infinite amount of time. On a surface level, it shares many similarities with a mundane "white hole," the conceptual inverse of a black hole. As one approaches a black hole, their perception of time accelerates, and as one approaches the Tsogyal Anomaly, their experience of time diminishes. As black holes pulls and consumes matter, the Tsogyal Anomaly produces and pushes it away. Despite the resemblance, the Tsogyal Anomaly is conclusively anomalous.
Consciousnesses within the radius of the field accelerate proportional to their attached body's deceleration; that is, visitors think at the same speed they do in normal space while their body moves in slow motion. Machinery, flesh, gasses, anything that's not directly related to the nervous system of a conscious person slows exponentially as it nears the core. As photons are discrete particles and not steady streams, visual perception slows as well. The conscious brain is adept at interpolating between visual stimuli too fast to observe, and surprisingly equally able to adapt to slower rates of light, hallucinating expected changes while waiting for the next photon. There is a radius around the anomaly's core, about 300km in diameter, in which the perceived "frame rate" is too low, resulting in a deleterious effect on the sanity of any exposed to it.
Inconveniently, the travel time of non-sapient information means that, at best, a person within can convey thoughts to the outside at exactly the rate that an ordinary person would at that same distance, but with additional signal-processing noise. i forgot why this was necessary
Experiments with "long person" have been forbidden by the Tsogyal Republic for the critical endangerment of all researchers involved.
Of all the advancements related, surprisingly Positronic research has had the most advancements from studying within this anomaly. By observing the moment a circuit accelerates to conscious-time, scientists were able to pinpoint the moment it became sapient, wildly cutting back on redundant information loops. As a result, new silicons can be significantly dumber (and smaller) while remaining "conscious." While the Positronic Cube remains the most commercially-viable artificial brain, now consciousness can reside on a drive smaller than a floppy disk.
The Tsogyal Anomaly was originally confused for a sun: a large burning ball around which planets orbited. Only once astrographers attempting to plan a Bluespace Shipping Lane plotted the odd orbit of Tsogyal's six planets did anyone suspect the sun to be anything but. The six planets in orbit of Tsogyal are actually a stable six-body satellite system, in which the gravity of each planet pulls the others inwards. The Anomaly, then, is stuck in the middle, equally repelled by each "orbiting" body. This uneven repulsion actually serves to stabilize the entire system, gently correcting any inconsistent wobbles until the system is stable again.
So why is it on fire? The core of the anomaly produces a seemingly infinite supply of plasma at a seemingly infinite pressure, meaning that it combusts when it is fast enough to react with ambient oxygen, or dense enough to undergo some analogy to nuclear fusion. Regardless, it's a burning ball of Plasma with negative gravity. Despite the flames, the surface temperature is shockingly survivable, and once a vessel is past the flames, the pressures within are slow enough to also be manageable. Excursions into the anomalous zone require exponential amounts of energy, and excursions out require patience. Tsogyal relies on an array of railguns to propel vessels deep upstream, where they are then capable of extending their stay through high-powered light emitters, offsetting their eventual expulsion from the torrent of fleeing plasma. Current vessels are capable of maintaining a steady impulse at (the radius at which time feels) 1/20th normal speed, and the deepest known incursion is hypothesized to reach 1/50,000th in the next 300 years. "Juggling stations", consisting of automated reinsertion relays, are able to keep returning a vessel into 1/800th speed for a "brief" duration, such that it averages to 1/500th speed experienced over a single journey of 2 years.
Exiting the anomaly is as simple as opening a large sail, letting out more surface area for the waves of plasma to push you away. The IDP Hosanna remains the only vessel to survive an emergency evacuation from 1/500th speed, avoiding structural collapse through careful engineering and aerodynamics, and avoiding sapience cessation through the radical therapy of intentional death in a resuscitable manner and a "timely" response by the IDP Chauncey at the 1/50th band. Most vessels who attempt such an exfiltration find themselves torn apart literally as molecular bonds fail to spin in corresponding ways, and metaphorically as the rapid influx of causality into a mind strongly hampers the sense of self.
Researchers suspect that the anomaly is simply the time dilation, and that the plasma is a result of bog-standard anomalies happening at the same rate as in realspace-timed anomalous zones, except slowed to an infinite timeframe, thus happening infinitely many more times at "once" in the center. Other rumor-starters suggest that the Tsogyal Anomaly is a new Big Bang creating a new universe with a new timescale, incompatible with our current realspace. Gossipologists accuse the Tsogyal Anomaly of being two massive Supermatter monuments clipped into each other in extradimensional ways, generating infinite energy through infinitely attempting to dust each other in nonorthogonal ways. Hearsayientists suggest that since plasma is when the veil between bluespace and realspace is wounded but not pierced, that the time dilation would mean that no wound could pierce in the core before the end of the universe, that once an infinite amount of time has passed and the wound has had time to properly pierce, the Tsogyal Anomaly will then begin expelling Bluespace, potentially contaminating the entire universe with instantaneous reconfigurations. Doomsday-profiteers point to numerous calendars as a finite date of total annihilation, and encourage you to buy your way into a stable afterlife for easy payments - what's a finite amount of money worth in comparison to your infinite soul?
Tsogyal Gasworkers ignore the mysticism and successfully harvest a steady supply of plasma from the burning cloud through - remember there is an immense amount of engineering keeping this steady, and that this is a simplification for the layperson to understand - putting a large straw through the burning layer so that no oxygen can get in so it can't burn before it's expanded enough to not want to burn.
So why is it still on fire? The plasma's infinite, but the oxygen? The incredible amount of plasma involved triggers an electrolytic CO2 reduction, melting the first combustion reaction's CO2 into methane and oxygen, which is recycled back into the combustion. In theory, the reaction needs only a finite amount of oxygen to burn the infinite amount of plasma, and removing enough oxygen manually could halt the burn. In practice, enough oxygen and microdebris exist drifting in space to rekindle the burn without perpetual (and cost-prohibitive) vigilance. In the opposite direction, while the addition of more oxygen could accelerate the burn, in practice the anomaly is already saturated with an even coating of oxygen, such that extra oxygen is propelled away from the anomaly before it can properly bind into a combustion reaction. Is that fucked up or what? speculative source on the electrolytic CO2 reduction, i'm not science enough to care about justifying it another step deeper https://www.reddit.com/r/chemistry/comments/x24ba3/comment/imhjvmd/
putting that voting research degree I never got to bad evil sinister use
I don't think we addressed how SolFed votes; I know the Unity Clique is about equal power across nations and I'm interpreting that as a One Nation One Vote complete "equality"
I'm thinking it needs to be really dumb in a practical "yeah I can see how we got here" manner. @Owegno I propose that the ever-expanding number of voting nations be the feature that makes voting complicated and cliques necessary.
Each member state in SolFed nominally gets one vote in any particular vote. However, the size and location of a nation's office in the Federal Assembly are dictated by their population/wealth, so that larger nations can keep more staff on-site and have better insight on active votes. The minimum threshold for a nation's ability to qualify for a vote isn't one of concrete numbers, but practicality: a tiny nation has an office so far from the voting hall that they are physically incapable of sprinting from their office to the voting box in time. At current projections, an on-site office of 100 workers is the bare minimum to keep tabs on all the concurrent debates and votes and submit an informed decision on each.
The first cliques were literally just coworkers from nearby offices that you trusted to carry your ballot, so you could sit in your office and watch the debates about another pressing matter to learn how to vote in your own interest. In time, this escalated to allowing these ballot runners to vote on your behalf, and to freely signing whatever vote your trusted ballot runner stops by your desk with. Gradually, these informal voting blocs grew structure, ideals, and congealed into the modern Cliques seen today. They hold grander ideas and networks of sprinters, but are still fundamentally just an orchestrated means of getting more votes into a box than can be carefully considered by individuals alone. This comes about as new waves of nations literally have to bolt new rooms onto the Federal Assembly, which they can do because it's a space station. Even if it's not an office thing, a new nation means at bare minimum a new chair in a debate hall, which still gets bad as nations are added gradually and up to the 10,000some nations theoretically possible.
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Owegno.: Each nation is assigned one vote power per person in its population. This gives a lot of power to the big member states while small ones have to band together to get any impact.
it can get made silly. Each vote is a physical ballot, congealed into denominations of 1 10 50 100 1,000 50,000 1m 25m Larger denominations have historically existed, but through the push of the Unity Clique toward One Nation One Vote, larger denominations were deemed "too great a security risk" and "atrocious for accountability", and that individual citizens had the right to track their specific vote (they do not) which would be made infeasible by including them in a conglomerate ballot. Ulteriorly, which is a real word, this stifles the ability of large nations to effectively vote at full strength, as having to sign each ballot to validate them imposes a strong time investment. Autopens were briefly banned in fear of fraud, until the first Synth Senator stepped aboard the Federal Assembly and everyone got a little too uncomfortable to bring it up again.
The largest nations' embassies in the Federal Assembly look more like a print shop than a place of legal asylum, rushing to leverage their full constituency and often losing sight of lesser votes. Paradoxically, this means that tiny measures can easily pass with only smaller nations' approval, as they have only a few ballots to certify, leaving spare time to address numerous votes at once.
oh god there's a pun too good to pass up
Ballots coming in physical denominations means that political alliance and vote trading is also a physical act, a literal trade of signed blank ballots for specific issues. For a short time, ballots were used as the currency of corruption, votes for personal favors to the senators. This, combined with the ramshackle assemblage of the Assembly, promoted certain business opportunities that, of all groups, the Monarchists were keen to capitalize on. Eschewing the standard political office, these royal representatives gained power through small vote donations in exchange for ready, well-cooked food, saving serious senators hours of off-site restauranting or valuable office space for personal cooking appliances. None grew as pervasive as the Burger King. @Bad Jokes
Eventually this would be cracked down upon, as this detracts from biological societies disproportionately more than non-consumptive species, as well as the deep fryer stench being recognized as an act of war against neighboring offices.
digital ballots are a sin it is atrocious that any nation uses any form of digital ballot as the solitary means of voting every ballot should, at bare minimum, print out a physical ballot that can be later counted and verified a user cannot conclusively verify that their vote has been counted, if it is submitted strictly digitally that's flat-out ignoring actual accessability and user skill; Grandma Voter isn't going to be able to use a QR code, let alone understand private key encryption enough to understand what the government claims is proof that their vote counted
a secure vote needs to do like, three things: be countable correctly be verifiable by the voter that their vote was counted correctly be unverifiable by attackers
that is, I should be able to vote the way I want to, and John Gunman can't threaten me to vote for Other Guy, then after I vote hold me up and force me to prove I voted for Other Guy there's some cool shit in terms of verifiability going on, like I've heard of, Scantegrity
so I'm seein' it like: Office prints off blank ballots with a specific issue pre-written on 'em. Like they print a batch of ballots for "Vote C3-196: Is Daylight Lighting A Hatecrime Against Shadekin?", one ballot per "district", in those denominations as above. This is like, a thousand ballots. They stick 'em through an autopen to register a specific vote. There's security measures that can be added here, both fictional and real. The signature is unique to the office, fictionally altered slightly to be unique to the vote; e.g. "distort the second letter turnwise for every vowel" etc. The ink can be chemically unique, etc. They stick the signed ballots into a central ballot box, and the physical ballots are kept "secure" for like a year. They can basically gotta be auto-counted by computer systems, but the physical ballot exists as physical proof of a physical vote. After a short time, like 4 hours, the ballot box closes (or like, the line to the ballot box is cut off). This time is debatable, whether it serves narrative purpose. It gets counted in whatever amount of time this part's not narratively interesting. In theory a Recount can be called, and by all means someone always calls for it, but Real, Serious recounts where they actually have to break out the physical ballots are rare. so if I wanna buy a burger with votes, I'd literally just take a few printed, unsigned ballots off the top of the stack and hand 'em to the guy
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Center Clique isn't mentioned in the cliques section on the Manifesto page. That's the only thing I notice.
Fuck you, Plasma Clique. Bunch of up-their-own-ass moral purists trying to monopolize one of the most potent fuels in the galaxy, mysteriously stable in any state of matter at room temperature yet extremely volatile. It's an amazing rock! It burns great and is an incredible fuel, and these motherfuckers want it locked down and distributed at their whims. Fuck this "price stability" morality bullshit, let the people pay what they want for as much as they want. Fuck this "overextraction" fearmongering shit, you know it's a lie to line your own pockets with the tears of SolFed citizens. Fuck the Tsogyal Republic, waving their "big plasma energy" around. Fuck that, people need plasma and I want these upright pricks out of my mother-biking way so I can give the people what they want. For money. Fuck you for bending ass-backwards over to this voting block, SolFed.
the gorlex defector guy, he currently serves as a prominent political figure in the Slipstream CliqueA lesser Clique, focused on controlling the path of trade routes and assorted FTL travels. gonna call that a subset of the Trade Clique
One aspect regarding regulation I was thinking i will say is that SolFed did initially regulate genemodding, but in the 2300s the Progress Clique got that repealed and genemodding is regulated on a member state basis.
re NT, I assumed they were with the Corpo clique? Sable's stuff got "NT sits on the Luna board of directors" so they're important enough to have a dedicated table in whatever clique they're actually with. Like, I'd imagine the FTU has a table but some regional shipping companies need to subclique to have 1 vote at the clique. I'm rather distracted rn but I don't recognize the Corporate Territories project?
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Also some more possibilities for cliques:
Center Clique: This is mainly to be a sort of baseline which other cliques are viewed. Nominally pro-democratic, somewhat pro-corporate, and generally in favor of more power to SolFed itself. This puts them at odd with the Frontier Clique, and I'm thinking they'll also often be at odds with the Assimilation Clique, due to prefer a softer approach to diplomacy.
Frontier Clique: Representing the more outlying regions of SolFed they're typically anti-corporate, and very opposed to giving power to SolFed, preferring the Federation to simply protect them and otherwise stay out of their business, particularly in regards to expansion which they want to be free and without any real regulation or oversight. Their anti-corporate nature would make them rivals with the Trade Clique.
Aristocratic Clique: The few monarchies and aristocratic nations in SolFed banded to primarily protect their often very particular interests. They are also probably one of the few (if not the only) clique that is pro-hemophage, due to their pursuit of technology or methods that provide immortality. This puts them very much at odds with the Progress Clique, due to the fact they're pretty openly trying to create an immortal elite, the exact thing the Progress Clique is strongly opposed to.
Production Clique: A sort of alternative economic alliance to the Trade Clique which instead of pursuing typical capitalism utilize command economies with each member of the clique specializing in the production of a few things for maximum efficiency. Not really socialist or communist, but instead democratic, authoritarian, or technocratic, they'd be rivals with the Trade Clique due to pursuing a much more protectionist and anti-megacorporation economic model for the Federation.
One thing I'm kind of struggling with is this:
Thus far in the writing for SolFed my plans involve generally only portrayed generic ideologies (democracies, capitalism, generic authoritarianism) with more wacky things tacked on (technocracy, monarchism) as I know these are pretty uncontroversial, but there would definitely be more socialist/communist ideologies out there in a capitalist space future. I know the old SR lore made the big brain decision of making the socialists the mega racists, which I'd obviously avoid, but the issue I'm having is that for some people any sort of positive portrayal of Marxist ideologies is EVIL PROPAGANDA, while for some people any negative portrayal of Marxist ideologies is also EVIL PROPAGANDA.
I want to avoid the whole IRL politics shtick of old SR lore like the plague, but I also do want to include groups that hold that viewpoint because it just makes sense for the setting to me, but, I don't have a clue how to go about it in a manner that won't result in angry readers. Just don't know how, so any suggestions are welcome.
me being slider brained [5]
I'm going to use this thread to post current ideas for cliques that I have, so that way other people can give input on the ideas if they want. Assimilation Clique: Created by the Tiziran war and seeks to try and incorporate every alien government into SolFed and export SolFed and human culture to aliens, while being very aggressive and jingoistic to any alien government that may be hostile to SolFed, even going as far as to try and agitate revolt in hostile alien governments.
Plasma Clique: A collection of member states who own the main plasma producing systems in SolFed. These are probably going to systems that are anomalous, so they may produce other things too, but plasma is likely the most important of their exports. They work together to set industry standards for plasma production, and production quotas. They're made up of various democratic member states and in addition to looking out for their financial interests try to push democracy within SolFed. Trade Clique: A generally pro-corporate clique, the exact specifics are rather TBD as work on SolFed corporations is generally very vague, but they look out for corporate interests and generally push a free-trade agenda, trying to prevent any member state from enacting tarrifs, or from restricting the activities of outside corporations.
Progress Clique: A technocratic clique that generally pushes for technocratic governance within SolFed, and little to no restriction on technology and science. However they do oppose the creation of AI and push for tight regulation on personality transfers, seeing both as immoral and/or dangerous, with the specifics varying from member to member. Regardless synthetics are generally banned in the various member states that make up the Progress Clique while there are some major restrictions on transferring your personality.
For the Progress Clique they're opposed to synthetic life for varying reasons. It could be they view it as a threat, or they could view creating synthetic life as immoral. For mind transfer the restrictions are based around preventing the creation of an immortal elite, or putting people in terminator bodies. There are likely other dangerous technologies they're opposed to, like mass cloning, but I think that's not a thing in SolFed already.
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Owegno
Owegno.: The idea of creating the role of president is actually a popular one, and something that will happen pretty soon after lore is "done" and the focus turns to creating a living universe (at least for me), the SolFed president will be a thing I think regardless of if this coup plotline will be part of the SolFed Troubles Arc or not.
The elected president will be fairly moderate for obvious reasons, as no one extreme is getting elected, but for one reason or another they end up being brought into a conspiracy (or this conspiracy plans to replace them) that wishes to basically put an end to the power of the Federal Assembly and drastically centralize SolFed, some inspiration here from the August Coup, basically hardliners who believe that SolFed is dying and they need to take drastic action to save it.
This conspiracy is backed by the governments of several member states (who exactly is TBD, although I have a few ideas) and they begin making plans, recruiting more members, working with the generals in the SolFed military who are part of the plot to move potentially disloyal units and commanders to prime postings on the rim of the Federation, where the best and brightest are needed! Meanwhile units led by commanders who are part of the conspiracy are placed in command of dull, quiet postings near the center of SolFed. There will also be other actions, like potentially brokering a secret deal with NT to supply the SFAF with plasma in the event the plasma clique opposes the clique.
This will basically culminate in the president suspending the power of the Federal Assembly and putting them into an advisory position (and if the president isn't part of the coup a new one will be put in place and the old one arrested) while the president now basically has absolute authority. Any resistance from the Federal Assembly will be prevented by SFAF units loyal to the coup who will control the capital, and larger resistance will be kept in check, some member states may protest and even leave the Federation, but they can be dealt with once the new order is established and power consolidated, plus they may even come around to the plotters way of looking at things once the dust has settled. This is of course, their plan, and in reality it would play out differently.
I like the part about couping against the Plasma Clique politically instead of just biker gangly
I like the idea of folk getting sick of the Federal Assembly's general inability to do anything
and I like tabbing away, so don't take me not shouting out a specific bit as dislike
I would rephrase the part about moving generals, just because the "disloyal" ones getting moved to the rim are literally there because they would remain loyal to the Federal Assembly and status quo, and thus fuck up the coup
The end result kind of seems like exactly the current status quo, where if you ain't appealing to a Clique, you get jack shit, except now there's a face for each interest
except now they're all sucking up to someone else, the urClique that's the wrong prefix lmao
I feel like the idea would get a lot of support from nations with strong interests in two different cliques, who're sick of being torn between them and basically getting benefit from neither like a... plasma-producing conquerer, torn between the plasma and unity cliques? like obviously it's already got support from nations with interest in one or zero cliques who're already getting jack shit from who they support, but the folk split between two+ are also in that "getting nothing" boat Definitely like the idea of the Triumvirate better than a solitary president, mostly because personal politics triumvirate is such a good name but it's sooooo three-locked, like "Quadrumvirate" does not fuck Protectorate?
And in terms of SolFed politics while Saturn is not a technocracy their origins as one still has them leaning that way, with them being one of the founding members of the Progress Clique.
Plasma Clique wants
Did we ever decide what the Plasma Clique wants? like, the ideology they're pushing as part of their vaguely-charity near-monopoly on Plasma? Owegno — 3/26/2025 3:59 PM I was thinking that they want to maintain their monopoly, both for selfish but also altruistic reasons (keeping this vital resource price stable, and preventing over extraction)
Otherwise they basically try and be Switzerland, they might want certain things, but they try and be as neutral as possible otherwise. Although I'm open to other ideas and suggestions.
I can build off over-extraction; since plasma is basically bruises in the bluespace wall, they're trying to prevent Space Global Warming by being smart about distributing plasmas. Fuck it, they're the reason every station has an abundance of solar panels for free. The distribution is to disincentivize individual extraction, which would be worse, because somehow they can Make Plasma more safely at scale? This would lead to folk opposing the idea of Space Global Warming, because it sounds kinda spiritual actually and not hard sciencey, and gets in the way of short-term profit
Plasma mining's fine, esp. on lavaland, because the plasma's already there, we're not making more of it. Xenobio is... less fine, but we don't scale up to ecosystem-affecting amounts in-game without an admin event.
What do they think of the proliferation of PACMAN generators though? Like.. most stations have it for emergency power. And they usually come pre-stocked
Betcha they put them there. Like, they're not hoarding plasma, they're controlling it, and emergency generators seem reasonable.
They may also accept competition from big fission and big fusion, as most power generation being non plasma probably fits their aims. They're mostly state monopolies so they don't really pursue infinite growth in the plasma market like corporations would, which could be an additional point of friction with NT we can use.
state monopolies... that means they don't answer to CEOs or a voter base, they own everything top to bottom and so don't have external pressures at anything but a state-vs-state level?
Basically. It would vary some but for instance for Tsogyal, they answer to their voter base in how the revenue from plasma sales are spent, but the Tsogyal population isn't going to demand infinite growth, as they have no reason to. So long as the social services they enjoy are maintained, which they easily are, they're happy.
Which is a dangerous attitude in a corpo-centered universe. It's not just the Plasma Runners who'd hate them, it's anyone on a board who doesn't want their workers realizing that they could settle for "this is good enough" and choke the living hell out of their company's growth
Basically. I'm thinking they fall into the anti corporate side of SolFed alongside the Progress Clique, partially so the teams are balanced for reasons, and also because it increases their tension with NT.
Unity Clique
the war guys
in regards to the Infinite Empire's fringe, the Spartan Invasions... the "claims" ehh maybe. The Zone of Infinite Attrition, hell yeah that's a low-grade conflict that'd be fuel for the Unity Clique, far below the Sagittarius War's struggles but still enough to piss the locals off that nothing's Being Done
they're declared here [7]
I'm torn on what to call the Sagittarian's pro-expansion, pro-mobilization, anti independent alien clique. I've mostly called in the Assimilation Clique but it could alternatively be called the Expansion Clique, the Integration Clique, or the Militarization Clique. Anyone have any suggestions of which I should pick?
They're trying to get people rolled into SolFed specifically although generally on their side. However I was thinking that the minority political opinion with the Sagittarians was anti-SolFed.
"Can't beat the system, so we'll stack the odds in our favor" Makes sense It's like they're trying to build a clique of their own in the assembly
Basically. They did actually build a clique of their own after the war as well as that's where the Unity Clique came from, and I was thinking the members of their clique are incredibly binary with how they support things politically. Center Clique? Never ever supporting anything they want ever as they fucked them during the war and betrayed SolFed. Progress Clique? Sure, at least one of their members provided a good deal of support (probably, not fully written yet), so they'll help them out if they need it.
it sounds like a tumor, actively taking in outsiders to swell to monolithic size their goal is exploiting the clique system to achieve a majority. a 51% attack.
Template:Contributor/Planty Are there particular criteria for joining solfed?
I was thinking it would be a simple majority. International recognition would basically be included in that.
The Unity clique goes a long way toward explaining why joining is so easy, it can be taken for granted.
Vast majority give no darn either way. Abstain from vote.
Only people basically adjacent have any reason to have an opinion.
Yeses would be for liking new trade routes that open up, for ending hostilities, for under the table boons.
No would be for those intent on conquering the zone themselves, or for those pissed at a neighbor who might vote yes above.
Just topographically, being extremely generous, a new zone might have at most 10 neighbors, and those might have at most 10 neighbors. 100 members as the upper limit of locals to even have an opinion. As long as there are more than 100 Unity lovers, they entirely drown out the people who will be affected.
One other thing I was thinking is that the pro-self determination side did get a slight win during age of revolutions 2.0, in that it has become precedent and a matter of pride that so long as you're a proper nation you can join if you want to. Efforts to gatekeep successful rebel states from joining SolFed generally failed.
How proactive is the Unity clique? Are they "we must expand continouously" or are they "Expand when we see it, never tolerate a neighbor but we don't gotta expand in empty space to make more neighbors right now" or is that an internal debate they're not settled on I was thinking the latter. I see no real reason for them to want territory for territories sake. The one thing is that any known alien government is a target of their attempts to woo, or their preparations for war.
They have basically no interest in conquest, as avoiding war is their main goal.
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Sort of the core tenant I had in mind for the Assimilation Clique to help ensure they're different from classic sci-fi xenophobes is that they hate alien governments, not the aliens themselves. In their eyes they're righteous liberators, and it would make sense for that approach to begin during the Tiziran war, even if in practice it wasn't always followed due to the realities of the conflict.
When abouts did the tenets of the assimilatiob clique manifest? My read was always that the Sagittarians were in it to remove a distict and dangerous threat on their front doorstep. Get the lizards off thr board and make sure they can't pose a threat to us anymore.
Which would over time morph into more of a sunk-cost fallacy related to how costly the fighting has been.
But going for more of a "They will accept our peaceful ways, By Force" could be an interesting spin on trying to salvage a what would have become a bit of a political and diplomatic deathspiral from continuing to prosecute the war. Ofc what exactly is meant by "assimilate" could be up for some debate. I'd imagine it would look a lot like "puppet".
Basically my current thoughts on when their tenets manifested was during and after the war. They wanted to prevent any similar war from happening ever again, which is done through militarization of SolFed (creating the SFAF, and the Sagittarians being in a constant of semi-mobilization ever since), and through trying to make any potentially hostile alien governments into friends, either by befriending them, or if they can't be befriend, trying to take steps to cause a regime change and/or weaken them.
As for what it means, it is up for debate. They wanted to basically do a West Germany or Japan to Tizirans, but their policies are certainly culturally Imperialist to a degree.
Sounds almost like the US during the cold war in the kind of "democracy is non-negotiable kind of way". Like they'll ask you very politely to shack up w SolFed. Just never mind that folks who tell them to pound sand have this odd habit of unexplained civil wars a few years after the fact. And they're not afraid to go kinetic against anyone who is properly hostile to them.
remember when i did a post about the cliques in the future
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Owegno. the Summary Of Cliques list [10]
Center Clique, which represents the "default" to a degree. They're made up primarily of large and powerful nations in the center of SolFed, and believe in centralizing SolFed alongside supporting corporate interests, and their own interests. You could consider them a bit akin to the Federalists in the early US.
The Trade Clique, which is basically mostly made up of Sovereign Corporations with the Corporate Territories acting as their leader and unified voice. The nations in the Trade Clique are generally those with strong corporate influence that didn't join the Center Clique. As you would expect they are entirely devoted to Corporate interests and freedom of trade.
Plasma Clique, which is made up of the plasma producing states of SolFed, with the exception of Nanotrasen. They try and keep the price of plasma nice and stable, and protect their monopoly of it. They're otherwise incredibly neutral politically as they try and befriend everyone so they have as much political favor as possible to protect their narrow interests.
The Frontier Clique, which is made up primarily of smaller members who were often former colonies of other members. They generally try and represent the interests of "The Little Guy" and have tons of tiny members. They're pretty anti corporate and are pretty opposed to centralizing SolFed. They're also really lacking in unity due to how many members they have.
The Unity Clique, which is both the Sagittarian Triumvirates revenge club, and also die hard believers in Unificationism that want SolFed to unify the galaxy. They do want to centralize SolFed but want it to be done in a way that has a more equal distribution of power, which upsets both the Frontier and Center Clique. They're also responsible for SolFed having a military, as that is a bill they proposed and got other people to agree to.
The Progress Clique, which is still very WIP, made up of generally technocratic members of SolFed and focused on ensuring that technological progress is not stifled. The one exception is that they don't want technology being used for things they view as immoral, like the creation of an immortal undying corporate elite, which does mean they're paradoxically both pro and anti-tech, as they believe technology should be for everyone, not just the wealthy.
An unnamed Monarchist Clique, which looks out for the interests of the monarchies of SolFed who are probably not very popular with other members, and also have taken an interest in hemophages and want to elevate their rights. This Clique is also very WIP.
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Resident Flag Architect.
Theocratic Absolute Monarchy with an Assembly (The ruler is a woman who is hailed as a living Goddess. Doesn't have to actually be one. It's more the belief that she is)
A democratic oligarchal government ruled by a council of seven (or any similar odd number of) councillors with multiple layers to the government
A Stratocratic Citizen Republic ruled by, hence "stratocratic", a military council and citizenship is guaranteed upon military service to the nation. Citizens also participate in governance.
A union of clans who are all governed by this "Grand Assembly" of elected individuals. Not much different from a lot of populat fantasy governments of the same origin.
A Consortium of different corporations where all the CEOs rule as a council.
A confederation if four kingdoms ruled by a quad-king government (the 4 Kings rule together). This government failed badly.
Plasma clique's homeworld is a runaway star..? wait did that BECOME the cryostasis star of tsogyal? [11]
Plasma Clique nation [12]
I've still been trying to write the Plasma Clique Nation and have roughly what they are down: Wealthy nation heavily funded by a state run plasma extraction company. Centered upon an anomalous system that is a weirdly high speed star. The primarily anomaly of this star is that almost everything is more stable. For example: Chemical reactions are much harder to start and keep going, living things straight up live longer, but require biological modification to boost their metabolism or else they feel cold and perpetually tired, probably more neat results that I haven't thought of. There are other smaller anomalies in the region and weird creatures and such on the main Earth-like world, which is a very wet world with extreme amounts of rain, with its terrestrial regions mostly being rainforest, swamps, ect. Overall its safer and nicer than the Nova anomalous zone, and the living longer is a nice thing, but for people not specially modified it sucks, and if those modified people then leave the zone they will overheat as their metabolism goes crazy. The government is a pretty representative democracy, they're generally pretty nice. Their biggest concern is maintaining the Plasma Clique's monopoly. In terms of external relations they do their best to maintain absolute neutrality, they want corporations and other governments to like them and cooperate with their monopoly, and do their best to avoid angering anyone. They're unique for a major SolFed power as their territory and population is based around this one star, with it being one of the most populated systems in SolFed (I don't like absolute numbers too much, but in the realm of perhaps 150 billion) Probably three fourths of their population lives in space rather than on planets. This has resulted in a very "space maritime" inspired culture. The biggest industry they have after plasma extraction is starship production, and it is what employs the most people. Culturally I want to give them vibes focused on that spacer culture. Children often want to be starship crews, and their people are disproportionally represented in the general SolFed spacer community.
The Plasma Clique is the n- oh, the nation. their heart, their Capital, their center. This gives extreme Cryostasis vibes. Y'gotta surgically make yourself go faster to counter the Anomalous Zone's full-zone Basically Cryostasis? I imagine this zone's also a hotbed for hospice and hospitals alike, for the same reason, which would contribute to the Most Populated Systems of 2564 Runner-Up award (nothing can beat Meat Cubeia, where all the fugitives who get compressed back into meat cubes go). We gotta drop a shout-out that it's also a hip Snailperson vacation spot
Playing it straight but Star Wars levels of on-the-nose with, slow, cryo... Cryostia, Dod Ling, The Loistar Ring,
But we mechanically already have Slow theming: Sepia slimes, with the Sepia floor tiles, with the Sepia Time Stop.
Sea the Sepialantic, cruise the Beige of Basklay, Grisaille https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grisaille, something off the Cephalopod genus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sepia_(cephalopod), ... if it's photography themed, it's a developing nation. @Bad Jokes but also serious.
Plasma Clique, The moralisitic good guys of Plasma. Y'know what happens when you fuck with them? They cut you off. And if that's not enough? Whoopsy it looks like that pirate fleet you thought was chasing you and running out of fuel is suddenly faster than you. Oops haha that's space piracy baby.
I just need a name for the Plasma Clique nation, to write their paragraph (which shouldn't take long once I have a name) and then do some information various Cliques which also shouldn't be hard. After that we should be good to add quite a bit to the SolFed wikipage.
- The Plasmelody, folk hate them because they insist on singing and they straight give Crystals Shop vibes. Does not need to be literal singing, their words just need to flow more than they need to be precise or correct.
- Pinkpeace, a play on Greenpeace which is an organization I just realized I know very little about
- Fuel Good Inc., known for their hit song Delamination Inc. which plays whenever an unstable, experimental power source starts to fuck up and they're not already playing Ebb & Flow.
- Plasma Control
- Plasthma Attack
- The Tri-State Area (because it exists at room temp in all 3 states of matter)
- Fuel All Mankind
- some pun on pac man
- Omniplasm
- Mother Knows Combest
- Combusty Babes (Too Hot)
- Burny Sanders (too political but c'mon it's a ncie pun)
- Collective for the Right to Burn
- Backburn, as in the backbone of our society
- Autonimos Technical, a play on Atmos Tech. Sends criminals to Autonimo Bay.
- The Light Brigade: they keep the lights on
- Lightgivers
- Power to the People
- Self-Stable, a play on plasma being shelf-stable and also ensuring folk aren't beholden to an energy overlord (besides themselves lmao)
solfed remembering that they're idealistic, do good social programs, help others, moralize and oppose injustice, but have to have some sort of reason folk could possibly dislike them:
They're opposed by the Plasma Runners, biker gang m'fers who want profit over whatever moral BS the plasma clique does. They oppose because they see plasma as PROFIT, BABY! PURE FUCKING CREDITS IN A ROCK! maybe the PQ also demands a tithe of plasma and/or Accurate Reporting of the plasma you mine, so they don't give you more than you've already gotten to fulfill your own needs... hopefully there's some bits worth working with in there.
As my mind is stumped on the new NRI at the moment I'll work on SolFed members. I have two basic ideas at the moment that I might utilize if it doesn't turn out that they suck.
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Owegno. Plasma clique member which is generally nice. They're very fair and free democracy with all their citizens living very comfortable lives thanks to the government using the profits of the state-run plasma corporation to enact some of the best social programs in all of SolFed. I was thinking of giving paragon like idealism being part of the core of their culture. Aiding others is to them the greatest calling, but they also tend to be very moralistic and they will try and oppose injustices. This applies to their government as well as generally it works to help other SolFed member states, but with an "evil" nations like the Libraen Federation they work to harm them however possible.
The Corporate Territories, a Trade Clique member (or the leader of the Trade Clique) that is a collection of corporate controlled systems. It exists that give the corporations that are members of the project a perfect place for manufacturing, and to give them votes in the Federal Assembly. It has a generally unified façade that works to protect corporate interests in SolFed, but that unity ends there and the various corporations that contribute to it are generally incredibly hostile to one another, and trickles down into the Corporate Territories.
They don't give out free plasma, but they do generally try to use their power to help others. However they can be very moralistic and that can put them into conflict with people very easily. Plus you know, defending their clique's monopoly.
Moralistic is... vague, hence fleshing it out. Examples of moralistic helpers I can think of:
Churches who do charity drives for homeless, thus flaunting their morals and getting to give brief lectures to their captive audience.
Youtube Influencers, e.g. Mr. Beast, who profit off the perception of the work they do, independently of how effective the work done is. Can range from "just recouping costs" to "being a charity middleman is a successful business." See also: for-profit foster parents.
Churches who do charity but only for active worshippers, effectively forcing homeless to routinely attend sermons to survive off of their charity.
Brotherhood of Steel FO3:Broken Steel, who operates with an independent agenda but uses the charity to remain in good graces. They will take your Technology whether you're subscribed to their free water or not, but they'll also give you water whether or not you have technology to surrender.
Dude at church who tithes to satisfy a minimum "good person" threshold to feel good about themselves.
So I'm gonna guess at three factors, on a scale: How Specific are they? How different are their morals from the cultural norm? needs better name How Intrusive are they? What do they impose in exchange for their help? Self-Centered? I think this is a subset of intrusive. What do they gain from this interaction? How Helpful are they? Do they actually help, or are they doing things that only look helpful?
so church charity homeless: Not very specific, their morals are similar to the religious morals of America. Intrusive: not very. Subjecting homeless folk to like 30 minutes of being in a church and surrounded by helpful people isn't all that imposing. Self-centered: They gain ingroup cohesion, and individuals go to Heaven. Helpful: pretty helpful. Treats symptoms of wealth imbalance without disrupting the status quo. Blankets /beans are useful. Money, jobs, housing would be more useful.
I mean moralistic as in the definition of the word. So intrusive, based off their cultural code of righteousness which I'm not settled on but I do want it to be similar to modern classic moral values. Not necessarily self centered, and they only help people they like.
so yes imposing: conform to us or get no help. Correct, and more importantly: They will oppose [that which] they view as immoral.
outdated on the distribution of plasma, before the Scars In Bluespace stuff [15]
Center Clique
[16] and there's some really good discussion about other cliques above that. this is page 5 of 9.
Owegno
Owegno.
So here is the current concept and plan for the Imperialist Center Clique nation.
Their narrative purpose is to basically replace the void left by SolFed becoming completely different. A lot of people had their character writtens with a controlling somewhat oppressive imperialist democracy being a major part of the setting. I want to include them so that people who don't want to write something new of their own, or rewrite their characters some, have a fairly easy option other than just rejecting the lore. In addition they act as a baseline/moderate for SolFed politics, representing a pro-corporate (although not as strong as any trade clique members), pro-democracy, somewhat corrupt entity that the more wacky, evil, or good entities can be compared against.
Like old SolFed they're an imperialist democracy that is trying to expand as much as possible, often bullying, bribing or coercing smaller nations or independent systems into joining them. They have a very close relationship with corporations and while they are a Federation the central government has a lot of control and will micro-manage individual systems. They struggle with secessionist movements and were one of the big people to suffer revolutions after the first migration, losing a good bit of territory.
They're one of the biggest nations in SolFed and are territorially spread out everywhere due to their policy of trying to expand as much as possible, but they're centered closer to Sol. Their capital is Beta Librae, which is why I think Libraen Federation is the name I'll go with. I'm a bit unsure on what sort of theming to give them, I just know I want to avoid any sort of US coding for them. If anyone has any suggestions for inspiration on their style and vibes let me know. .. I'm hoping less "single nation," and more "that social media that's for landlords to collaborate".
"Not US Coded" rules out the best two options: Home Owner's Association, and Landlord Coalition